Curse

Alleji · Oct 30, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

And Llint, get lost, how about keeping HA fun? How about rewarding originality? How about losing because other players have skills, or winning because you have skills, instead of the AI, wasn't that the whole purpose of this game? Skill wins?

Just FYI, HA never really rewarded originality. HA rewarded a carefully-metagamed build ran by competent players. If anything, current hero-filled HA rewards originality more than ever. The metagame wasn't simply ruined - it was nuked, obliterated and then the rubble was crushed into dust, first with 6v6 and now with heroes. So, now you have your original build that tries to maximize AI's strengths and suppliment their weaknesses with your own character, in other words, individual skill plus originality.

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Most players have played guild wars at least 500+ hours, and are still not great at PvE, so why should you be great at PvP in under 20 hours or so?

Rank 3 doesn't mean "great at PvP". In some cases, even rank 9 doesn't mean "great at PvP". All my rank 9 means is that I can make a shiny tiger that looks cool and that pugs (if they still exist) would take me because there's a higher probability I know what I'm doing. You can be a good player unranked and you can be terrible at everything because you IWAYed your tiger.

Julen · Oct 30, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I'm really getting tired of all the people complaining that they cant get in a group due to being unranked. You should play more and complain less!

Back on topic

Heroes in HA are a joke, played a match today and had my Reversal of Fortune interrupted 3 times within a minute by heroes, just rediculous imo.

So i guess i'm in favour of removing them from pvp, they have their own arena, keep em there.

EternalTempest · Oct 30, 2006, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Change that

a) shakes up the static builds
b) allows new players to jump in and try new things without elitism
c) allows experienced players new challenges
d) Heros follow the same rules skills/engery/health/armor as normal characters

/not signed to removing them.

ibex333 · Oct 30, 2006, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by looloo

Hi guys, don't you guys think that HA is getting gayer? OMG...i experienced so many teams with heroes and henchy just team gank on player-team and take advantage of it, especially in scarred earth. This is just ridiculous, how can a serious pvp place like HA allow so many heroes and henchy in battle? You wanna see that in GvG? bet no...Please take consideration into this issue, as HA is just a chaos now!!!!!

/signed

Please, dont be talking about how HA is too serious for heroes when you yourself seem to be having trouble against hero teams.
Besides, who proclaimed HA as a "SERIOUS PVP" place? Was it you? Mabe someone else? It seems, someone here is forgetting that ultimately this is a game made for the player's enjoyment! Anet is trying to make HA more accessable to players who lack the "leetness" of todays prominent Guilds/Teams? - more props to them! Way to go Anet! Mabe now noobs will get a chance at glory, and wont feel so alienated anymore.

You are being selfish, and you do not wish to consider the fact that some people cant get into a team due to lack of rank3, and other causes which I'm sure you know of. If you have no trouble getting into a HA team, that doesnt mean it's the same for everyone else.
Heroes will only make HA and GvG more interesting in the long run. In any case, teams consiting of experienced people will always beat heroes/henchies.

Oh, and here's another thought.... PvE players got hit in the latest patch by getting their farming nerfed. Why shouldnt you get your HA leetness nerfed? :P

/NOT SIGNED

Anet, please dont listen to this man

PS: And yes, I'd like to see heroes in GvG, HA, and everywhere else they can possibly be! This is what I paid my $50 for, and I want to enjoy it.

Dark Angle · Oct 30, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

/signed

Daniel__ · Oct 30, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

/signed

And Llint, get lost, how about keeping HA fun? How about rewarding originality? How about losing because other players have skills, or winning because you have skills, instead of the AI, wasn't that the whole purpose of this game? Skill wins?

Oh and no this is not coming from a r12, top 50 guild player, but from a r1 player, with only a modest, inactive guild.

Yes there is rank elitism. So what? Be patient for a nice cookie cutter PUG, play long enough, become good, and eventually you will hit r3, after which things will speed up.

r3=180 fame, so that's a maximum of 180 wins. Even if you win once every half an hour, it takes you 90 hours to become rank 3.

Most players have played guild wars at least 500+ hours, and are still not great at PvE, so why should you be great at PvP in under 20 hours or so?

Fame is farmed, not skill.

lyra_song · Oct 30, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

How about a compromise???

Limit the # of NPCs on a team to 3

That means 3 humans and 3 heros/hench?

sdrawkcab11 · Oct 30, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Just disable the use of heros in HA, i can live with 3 hench at max but still this is supposed to be pvp, bots ruin everything and they seem overpowerd.
/signed

the_ashii · Oct 30, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

/signed

Tombs/HA - was an altenrative way for competative pvp then gvg, I myself spent most of my time playing it.

And yes it is frustration to get into groups sometimes, but I think this is the wrong way to deal with the situation. A workaround i've would have suggest is get some friends, play with them and form HA groups with them or create your own.

On most maps theres a hench/hero team, its annoying and has removed alot of the competative play.

.. Reguarding the recent changes:

The map changes was good.

The 6v6 thing was bad.

The hero/hench teams was even worse...

i was never here for the event weekend, i thought it would be a good change but it wasn't. It removed alot of flavor & flexibility in builds. I hope this change isn't _PERMANENT_!..

My personal preference of was a 10min hoh game 5 teams fighting..

I dont know how they got through with the idea to change hoh, so drastricly, but i dont like it and wish all players could vote on it, and we see.

enough of my rant, i'm onto next thread to read : p

Have Faith · Oct 30, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

/signed

Keep the 6v6 lose the heros (its becoming a joke).

bigroach · Oct 30, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

so you want to interact with other people..

you have the people on your own team to talk to.

and there has to be at least one real person on the other team.

Vermilion · Oct 30, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by bigroach

so you want to interact with other people..

you have the people on your own team to talk to.

and there has to be at least one real person on the other team.

Heroway teams don't provide the same amount of challenge as human teams..Not everyone is there JUST for fame.have you played any FPS against bots? Yeah, its not the same as playing vs. Humans..not at all.

I suppose if HA was 8v8 again and they removed henchies, that would be a start. Imo just instituting fame loss for losses would make everything a lot better..although if you don't have any you won't lose any..so maybe not.

Dougal Kronik · Oct 30, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

/not signed

Maybe now I may try and go into HA. Could never get into a group before (no rank).

viskey · Oct 30, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

/signed

pfft if they wanna do HA they should be good enough to do it without NPC's

Azadaleou · Oct 30, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

/signed

Anet should be ashamed for implementing trash like this. Anyone notice the contradicting descriptions of Guild Wars Prophecies and Guild Wars Nightfall in the online store?

Guild Wars Prophecies says:

Craft your hero

Build a personalized character to transverse an epic storyline in a vibrant fantasy setting, compete in head-to-head battles with players from all around the world. And find adventure in missions and quests.

Free online play!

Join the more than a million players worldwide who have become enraptured by the Guild War universe!

Guild Wars Nightfall says:

Heroes at your command

Customizable NPCS that level up with you, take orders in combat, and use skills and equipment at your discretion.

Find power in small numbers

Heroes allow you and/or one or more friends to control a party of champions as you battle across exotic land of mystery and danger.

Choices shape your adventure

The decisions you make along the way determine the path your journey takes. the missions you play. and the heroes you meet.

I don't know about you guys, but they seem like totally different games. The first two Guild Wars do seem like they are meant to be played online with friends. Nightfall however, seems like its a single player game. There is not even a hint of playing with lots of people online in Nightfall, rather they urge you to play with Heroes. Good job ANet, you have successfully turned the game into the total opposite of what it originally was.

Not A Fifty Five · Oct 30, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

/notsigned

Personally I think HA is just a joke period. Nobody runs anything interesting. You go to halls and you find a)blood spike b)r-spike c)duals mite etc etc

So what? Heroes making this any worse? not really. All they do is take the place of random noob playing some build someone else made 5 months ago.

looloo · Oct 31, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

For those who complained can't find group due to low rank, you could still find group with those of same status, but definitely not with some stupid NPC which are overpowered and mindless.

REMEMBER THIS, all veteran in HA went through stage with rank 0 to 2 where it's just hell to get a place in team, but you could always use friend's help and start team. H

HEROES AND NPC IS JUST NOT AN EXCUSE FOR CAN'T GET INTO TEAM!!

Coocks · Oct 31, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

I just cant understand how come this thread only came out after NF was released and the NPC's AI was improved. What's going on ? Is the NPC's AI getting better then those iwayed tigers ? Oh noes

If a team has 5 NPC's and a human, that means that human has to control those 5 NPC's in order to make his team win, which isn't that easy. I haven't played HA since the NF release since im more a GvG man, but i still remember those nights when i asked a guildie to leave after zaishen's are dead so i can enter tombs with 5 henches, god those were fun runs, beating up vimway and winning scarred vs starburst teams

Brother Redmund · Oct 31, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Y O U Lo Se

/signed

It's called Player vs Player, if you want to play with Heroes go to the Hero Arena.

/signed

The above quote is the fundamental reason why I support this petition. There are for and againsts for both sides, but it effectively boils down to one MAJOR point ^^

looloo · Oct 31, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

/signed with limit number of heroes and henchies in team